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Why don't we, you were kind of telling me when we were just talking a couple of minutes ago.

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So it was October the 11th of 1978. Can you take us back and kind of explain?

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Yeah. Well, in October I was working at a small shipyard in Pasquota.

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And Calvin Parker was working for me, a shipfiller.

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And sometimes during the day we decided to go fishing that evening, which I had done many times after work.

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So we, when we got to the river, the Pasquota River, it began to get late and the fish weren't biting.

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So we were going to try one more place to buy the old shop in the shipyard, that's where this thing happened at.

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And we were sitting right up here, the fish not into the river.

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And I think maybe I was really in, I don't remember now.

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I heard some hissing sound behind me.

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And I raised up all, we're sitting down here. I stood up and looked around and there was something back there.

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It was over to about that far up the ground. It's probably 40 foot long.

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Now I don't know whether it was round or whether it was all long, because of the way I was looking at it.

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But I know up toward what I'm assuming to be the front, it was something like a two lights.

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Four Satan lights were blue.

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And it really frightened me down into what that was.

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And by this time, Calvin, he got up on his feet and we just instantly, there was no one up here to detect red.

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We didn't like from outside what we were.

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And the three things came to that doorway, turn that book over on the back, you see what it looked like.

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Oh no, no. That's not what they looked like.

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They were very wrinkled and I didn't see any eyes.

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And I know now, I didn't know then, I know now they were robots.

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But anyhow, they came around to the side of me, one took hold of this shoulder.

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And I felt pain in there, just yesterday pain.

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And another one took hold of this shoulder and I just went limp.

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And they, they weren't touching the ground.

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The light was off the ground and they were just gliding out to where I was.

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Or levitating?

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Levitating.

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And I've seen that just when they took hold of me, I just raised up to the height they were.

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And we was in that main light and they were taking me toward the ship.

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I noticed a cow at this time and one took a hold of him, he fainted.

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I didn't know what they were, he just lay atop of there.

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And he don't know where he, when the boy would be crabbing on it, I don't know.

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But I'm assuming he did.

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Now, they kept going into that crab and inside it was a brown carpenter on a road.

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And it was very brilliant.

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Like the light was coming out the wall, the overhead and the floor.

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And we stopped, they stopped me, it seemed like in the middle of the room.

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And they just left me, but I was still, I wouldn't touch anything, a landing position.

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And I could tell that I couldn't move anything but my eye, I could move my eye.

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I could tell that they had left me.

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And something in the wall in front of me, it came out of that light in that wall

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and moved up in front of me about this floor.

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It was probably this big around and it appeared to me like a big eye.

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But there was something in there, there was some kind of instrument.

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I can't describe what it was.

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But anyhow, this thing remained there for a few seconds or a minute.

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And it went down.

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And of course I'm having to assume it went under me and came back up my backpack.

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And I could, after a while, it moved back up in front of me again.

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It would like to stand you or something, whatever that's what it was.

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And it stayed there a few minutes and it went back into that wall.

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It disappeared.

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And I didn't want to think, I was terrified.

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I couldn't say anything.

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And I don't know how long I was in there.

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I really don't know.

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But after a while, these things, they came back.

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They moved up to me.

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I could tell about my eyes and sign.

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They took hold of me.

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We turned around and they carried me through that main light back where I was

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and it would be down.

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They didn't throw me down. They would be down.

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I don't think they were trying to harm us anyway.

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But I couldn't, and I didn't know until a long time later on, on clenched hypnosis,

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I found out that there was a window in that room there by where this eye came out.

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And they was, this is, it's hard, it's even hard for me to play.

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They were something like living beings with all those black huts I could see through that window.

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I didn't know that for a long time.

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It was something that was in my subconscious mind.

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And, but they, they looked almost like we did.

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And what they were doing, they couldn't live in our atmosphere, I don't suppose.

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And they had these robots, good job with them.

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We didn't distract their attention one way or the other.

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They had something to do.

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I tried to talk to them, but I couldn't hear them.

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I said, you can hear yourself talk. I couldn't even talk.

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And they don't want to guess what they were supposed to do.

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And when they kept me out there and let me down, I saw Calvin.

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And he was standing on the banks of that river with his arm about straight like that.

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And he was the only shop.

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And the reason I know, I was, I spent 20 months in, a little over 20 months in combat

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in career, career more.

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I don't know what, how many act when they're going to shop.

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And when I couldn't get up, my legs were still weak.

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I was trying to make my way toward him to see if I could hit him.

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And I managed to get up on my feet before I got to him.

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And I couldn't, I couldn't get him to say anything, just like he was out of it.

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I shook him and I even had to slap him to get him where I could talk to him.

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And I told him he was screaming, you know, what, what did they do to us?

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I tried to assure him that they didn't, I don't think they'd understood the physical form.

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And they had gone, you know.

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I got him back, we were talking to him and we didn't know what to do.

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I didn't want to tell anybody about it, you know, it caused craze and that, you know.

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They like to just not supposed to happen.

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But anyway, we talked about it again.

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Before we got home, we decided that we'd call the Sheriff's Department.

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Notify them, it might be a threat to our conscience what I was thinking about.

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And they, I could tell, they thought, we was pulling the blame.

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And they sent two deputies over there, we were, and asked us to follow them to the station.

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So we followed them to the Sheriff's Department.

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And they kept us in there, I don't know how long.

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They had even one room and me in one room.

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And then later on, they brought Calvin back in the room with me and they went out to do something.

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We didn't know it at that time.

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But they had a hidden tape recorder.

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And I think that took up, that tape, I think, was really funny,

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and just something that had happened to it.

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So Fred Dono was the Sheriff, he's deceased now.

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And I made him promise me that there wouldn't, there'd be no publicity about it.

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Just try to kind of get into the proper authority of whoever they were.

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We didn't want to get any publicity about it.

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No, sir.

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So we lay up there without a shortage, and there wouldn't be any publicity.

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And he got home and he was almost daylight then.

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And I had a response from the Sheriff, I would have fallen there.

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And I don't know why, but you know, I'm going to work.

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And we got over there at the shipyard.

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I got my people off work, went in my office, and the telephone rang.

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And it was Fred Diamond.

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No, no, first when I heard, there was some news reporter in Jackson.

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And it was asking me what had happened to Calvin to me the night before.

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Well, I just hung up on him.

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I didn't know how did they find it out.

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But then the telephone rang again, it was Fred Diamond, the Sheriff.

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And I said some bad words to him and told him that the news reporter had already been trying to contact him.

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He said, I don't know, Charlie, I had to get out of this, probably, it had got slipped out somewhere.

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So about that time, that day, he got all over the world.

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My oldest son was using the reaming machine, but in Vietnam he was open now at that time.

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And they had it the next day, and that Sergeant's type paper gets over there.

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So we went down to the shipyard in a good word.

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So news media, you wouldn't believe it was coming in that shipyard.

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Well, somehow the word got to Dr. Adam Heineken, Dr. Jim Harder from Berkeley, and Dr. Adam Heineken from Chicago.

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They came down here the next day and only talked with us in Hippodont.

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But meanwhile, let me look ahead and restore, meanwhile that data was down there.

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And I got to think, in a 40-weed, had radiation.

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I did it with my family and my other friends, I brought that up.

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They carried us over to the Sting River Hospital, and they didn't have the facilities to check us for radiation.

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But they called, paged their airport days, and they told us to bring us over there.

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So when we got over there, we had an escort there waiting on the debate.

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And they had cleared the entire area. You couldn't see anybody.

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And we went to a conference room, and that's where they interrogated us.

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Tractors for radiation.

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And they thought we found a little radiation on the cabin, but I don't guess they did.

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But anyhow, we came back, and that next day, then, Dr. Heineken and Dr. Harder came down.

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And they put me under hypnosis and cabin, and they had come to the conclusion that something had happened to us.

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Well, you wouldn't believe it. From Madhouse here, we couldn't sleep, we couldn't eat.

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And there was a time that we looked, somebody was on the interview, as you know.

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And then, a little bit later on, they wanted to take a polygram test.

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So I got off work that evening, and we went to the Sheriff's Department, had a polygraphy, traveling there.

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And when he took me back in the room, he told me, so now I'm going to take this, and he was going to prove me of your lies.

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And I said, now, if you want to go out, I'll go out here and tell him that it just wouldn't work, if you don't want to take this polygraph test.

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But for me, I'm tired of giving out, I'm going to get home, give me the damn money.

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So what he got through, in fact, he gave me doot testers.

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And Fred Diamond, the Sheriff, said when he got through it, went on the outside, he said, that man is telling them down through, isn't it?

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And then, all the talk shows all over the country, they wanted me there, and they'd like to drool me crazy, man.

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And Calvin, he went back, Jones County, back home, where we came from, and he had a nervous breakdown, and they wouldn't even let me see him for two weeks in the hospital.

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So it just, that's how it all happened.

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Were you wearing a watch? My chance of it happening?

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No, I don't wear a watch because a watch won't keep time on me.

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And the reason I say it won't keep time on me, I've tried every kind of great thought of it.

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When I was in career, we captured those North Korea, the Chinese, they'd be took all kinds of watches off the G.I.

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And I tried every kind of watch, I just think of it, it wouldn't keep a correct time on me.

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I was wondering, did he do how long did you have to? No, he didn't, we don't know.

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We went back several times and tried to reenact it, you know, how long it possibly could have been.

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It could have been two or three hours, or it could have been less than that, we don't know.

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Now, you always hear about possibly like implants or something, some kind of device that they put on you.

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Have you ever been checked to see if they, when that thing was scanning you, that it put something in your skin or something like that?

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No, the only thing that got me concerned now, so, yeah, I used to be a hospital, they take care of all my age.

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They found something on the back of my eyeball, back in the night.

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They don't want to distribute, well, a long time ago they found it, they don't want to see it.

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And they've been, they've been given new ones to a cancer doctor, they thought it might be a cancer back in the eyeball.

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And it's not changing, they checked me ever six months.

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And that's, that could probably be something they have, like a stye or something like that.

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Oh my God, it's on the back of my eyeball, on the back side, you're like a little bull.

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That's what they tell me what the doctors tell me.

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Was this your first experience, you remember, when you were younger, or even now, are you still getting visited?

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Well, I didn't know it at that time, but under hypnosis, I don't want to elaborate on this very much.

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I did find out that, yes, I had been contacted when I was young, you know, a few years ago.

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And I'm not afraid to talk about that, yes, I've been in contact with a lot of times with them since then.

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But I'm not going to talk about that today either. But I will when the time comes.

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I know you don't want to get into it, but the type of contact, is it like maybe getting a feeling, or you don't physically see them anymore?

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No, well, I did, I did, it's in a book. We saw, it was a different craft.

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My entire family was with me. The next year, on Mother's Day, we went home, on Mother's Day, on the farm with my mother and dad.

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And we would come back late at night. And we, it was a big year. My wife, come to Stereovo, and my daughter, she was a baby.

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It woke her, she was screaming. And I was trying to get out and go to the garage, just holding on to the side.

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And him, he would let me go. And they, my entire family, I was so bad.

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So we went into the district, I had to go to the water, I wrote about it in the book.

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It's something that will never get over. And I don't know what, I don't know why my at all, it's going to turn out, I don't know.

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But I've got a feeling that I'll be able to see it, that they won't be in and out of anyone's mind, that there's other worlds out there that have life on them.

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It's going to be proven. I was lectured one time with Jeannie Dixon, you know, Jeannie Dixon, in St. Petersburg, Florida.

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And when I arrived there, she told me that she wanted to talk to me when I got there. So I went up there to speak, and she had to invite me to leave.

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And she took a read on me and wanted to talk with me. And she told me, she said, I know this happened to you.

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I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say

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do you have any idea what these things might have come from?

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She told me yes I do. She said that I think they come from a small moon called the Jupiter.

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We know now that there are nine or eleven moons that Jupiter has. They found one now with the possibility of water on it alive.

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So maybe it's close to by that we think that the Jupiter is so big we don't know much about the moon. We don't know what the Jupiter is.

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So I don't know. Have you ever thought about it? I maybe crossed your mind the last 28 years why or even longer than that when you were growing up,

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why they might have chosen you for some reason or I don't know. The only thing I can figure there is that when I know something to be the truth, the truth,

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then nobody will change my mind. I think they won't let me to know. Back then people wouldn't even talk about UFO.

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And now it's a common word, household word, UFO, everybody knows about it. So I think they want people to know that whenever they do come down, it won't be so bad.

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Can you imagine what would happen if the president would come on air now and tell us that we're going to be visiting from another world out there some more? What might happen?

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And I don't think they won't pay either.

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Now you went to Keesler, obviously, you were interviewed by some folks there. Did they ever say, hey, we don't want you to talk about this or you didn't actually see what you saw?

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Well, how did they deal with you? How did they ever contact you anymore?

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Oh, yeah. I talked to many people from the military. And I said, I talked to people from NASA. They'd come to my home and they'd come to my bed.

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And you'd be surprised. The scientists said I talked to them. They know this world right there.

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My family had never had any real accused. I've never had any real accused.

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In fact, we've had more friends than we've ever had in our lives now.

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And my daughter was in school. Her classmates, they wanted to talk to me and see what happened.

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And so they came home with her, you know, and they were really enthused.

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Well, bad luck. The young people wanted to have a deal with us on these days.

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We never received anybody to keep her out.

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So in your opinion, that this is what you...

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You tried to say it was a little bit...

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I'm not sure if I know you.

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I'm sorry.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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But it's a... I'm not a child. It's real.

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This is what I was going to ask you if you think that it's...

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This isn't some kind of military experiment or something like that.

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No, it couldn't have been. No.

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No, it couldn't have been. It had to have been real.

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People from all over the world.

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Out there somewhere.

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And you said that some people didn't say anything back then.

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I've got a contact with you.

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Now, in that book there are just a couple of people in Pasadena that already said then that they had saw it.

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I've had a man write me from Atlanta, Georgia just a little while back.

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He told me some mistakes and said it's been a long time.

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So I finally want to tell you that me and two more of my friends saw that that night.

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And I told a small boy that we were so afraid we wouldn't tell nobody and we'd come out there.

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But he wrote me along and told me that we did see that thing.

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And then there was a lady that was about back from somewhere over there that was in Avon in the summertime, you know,

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hanging her clothes on the back.

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And she said she saw some kind of crack. It was like it was coming over that way.

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And they had a lot of people saw it.

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They were the Sunday school superintendent, music teacher, and I don't know who all of them.

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There could be more than that.

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They saw that crack. They didn't want to get rid of you.

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They thought it would be a lot of, it would be a ridicule for doing it.

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They would delete things then.

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So you said it was like a crackling or a buzzing sound?

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Like a buzz.

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Like a buzz and maybe air escaping from a pipe.

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It went off.

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It was silent.

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I didn't hear anything, no engine sound.

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These things didn't make any noise at all.

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And you didn't smell any fuel or anything like that, no jet fuel or something?

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No.

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I didn't get any odor at all.

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And when you went back out there to check it out again, you would see it was hovering.

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It wasn't like on the ground.

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So there wouldn't be any marks or any in the mark.

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There were a lot of people that went out there that said they did see something out of, I don't know if that,

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because it didn't have a picture ground.

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And I know you've read Eric Bonenningen's The Church of the Gods.

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He came over here and he wouldn't have thought of it being,

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he went out there and he took, I don't know how many pictures of the place.

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He was really enthused by it.

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He told me that I didn't look out of my mind.

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Now there's, you know, obviously yours and Calvin's story is a very famous story.

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There's Travis, Walden, out there in Arizona and then of course Betty and Barney Hill.

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Now there's thousands, maybe even a million people,

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who claim to have been maybe abducted or made some kind of contact.

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Do you think that a lot of times those people might be exaggerating those stories,

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might not be as believable?

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Well, it could be. I don't know, it could be.

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This thing happened to me.

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I got a letter from Nanny Hito.

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It was in Newport, New Hampshire.

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And she invited me out there to let's talk about it.

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She was, maybe these things were the same.

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So I grabbed a plane to Boston and William and Dad had been right to move.

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He met me in Boston.

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We got a rental car and rolling out to Portland.

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And we spent a couple of days and nights there talking with Betty.

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And she wanted to believe that it was the same thing, but it wasn't.

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And I told her, I said, they don't resemble the things that you saw.

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I said, these things were robots.

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And then I talked with Travis Walton.

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He's a friend of mine now.

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I talked with him a long time in Aspen, Colorado.

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He's out there in Glacier.

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We talked there a long time.

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He'd back to Denver on the plane.

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And that happened to him.

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I know that happened to him in Betty Hill.

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Anybody else I know?

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You know, of course, they made a movie out of his experience.

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Has anyone ever approached you about doing it?

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Yeah, like I would do it.

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But you don't want to do it.

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But now, I've been talking to some people now, you know, it's been so long now.

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It's caught me a lot of money.

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It's caught me a lot of time and wait for my job, wait for my family.

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But now, I'm going to see if I'm going to make some money on it.

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Do you have any regrets that you were there that place at that time?

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I thought about that a million times.

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I don't wish it hadn't happened to me.

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But now, I know that there's another world out there somewhere.

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And I've had an opportunity to meet some brilliant scientists in the world.

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And I've met a lot of people, UFO investigators and everybody else from all over the country,

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and all over the world.

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And no, I don't wish it hadn't happened to me.

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I think about all these, it seems like maybe it was 15 years ago or so around here on the Gold Coast.

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There's a lot of so-called sightings that were starting to happen,

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or people were getting some video tape footage.

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Do you think those were real sightings, were they the Gulf Breeze sightings or something like that?

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that was a fake. That didn't happen.

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I went down there with, you know, the Butt Hopkins.

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Butt came down New York.

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I've come real good. He's been at show time.

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We've become real good friends.

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And he wanted me to go with him over to the front of that thing and have him over there.

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He told me.

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They were some people that was working with him that had a photograph of the thing that he'd made and found.

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So that was all a fake. It was real.

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And all of them go up, restart them, they say now, a bunch of bullshit.

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You know, but excuse my language.

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That's okay. That's fine.

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Most of the things from the airport were from the airport space down there, up in the airport space.

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Let's see.

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Do you think that these aliens or the extraterrestrials, could they be from, you know, maybe a thousand years in the future that I type travelers maybe?

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Or did you get the technology to be able to do with it?

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No, I don't think. I think they have the means to come to her. I don't know how.

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But what I thought about and talked with them was a lot of people.

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So it could be a demand to travel with their mind.

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I don't understand if we could use 40 or 50% of our brand more.

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We could move out. We could do anything.

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Maybe that's the way they travel.

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You could say, why don't they burn on space ship?

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Well, they got to have things in the space ship to test if they need it here.

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But probably I'm wrong, but I believe that they do it with their mind. That's what they trust.

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How much do you think the government knows about this?

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Do you think they know a lot about him?

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Do you think they've actually made contact with some of these men?

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I think so.

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I've talked with some of the astronauts.

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I talked with Jim McDevitt. He's one of the first in New York.

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And he told me that whenever they were up there in outer space, they had to rocket haul, you know.

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And he said that the other two astronauts were asleep.

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And they had to cameras all the time, you know.

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And he saw three outtakes coming in their direction that he looked like there was going to be a collision course.

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So he told me that he called Houston Control and told them.

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And they gave him permission to fire the rockets and move out of the way.

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And he said, before we fired the rockets, they swore and missed them and said he had it on the camera.

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And so when they got back down to her, they told them that there wasn't anything on the film.

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But he said he had to advance.

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At least they told him there wasn't anything on the film.